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 Post subject: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:01 am 
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My wife has a double barrel shotgun that I can not identify. It was her late husbands so we do not know its history. On the barrel flats it has the normal proof marks plus the following:
m*1
1440 Gmos
NF75061 also on action
the forend has SZ75061
on the top of the barrel it has "Made In Spain"

the safety automaticly engages when the barrel release is moved.

It appears to be hand engraved with flowers. It also has a push button forend release mounted on the front tip of the forend.

Someone installed a Pachmayr recoil pad so I have no idea if the same was once on there.

Anyone know the answer on this one? Your help sure would be appreciated.

Thanks, Don Riead[/u]


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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:03 am 
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Here are links to Spanish manufacturer markings
and markings for years made

http://web.jet.es/rafa/b_punzones_larga_lisa.html


http://www.9mmlargo.com/year_codes.htm

I hope this helps in some way.


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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:41 am 
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M*1 Made in 1967

1440 Gmos A typical proof test mark, representing the pressure of the test shell.

I don't see anything there that identifies the maker.

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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:54 am 
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Thanks for the info. I have a feeling that this is just one of those mysteries in life. The year looks to be 1967. I found an A.G. on one of the barrels under the forearm. Does the "A.G." stand for anything?

Thanks Again, Don


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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:17 pm 
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A.G. could be Armas Garbi


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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:57 pm 
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I suppose it could be Armas Garbi. For the owner's sake, I hope it is....but I doubt it. Armas Garbi has always made very high-quality guns which were sold under their own name, and I believe that if it were a Garbi the name would be engraved on it prominantly.

Garbi does have (or did have) a model called AG. Wieland (in "Spanish Best") illustrates a Garbi Model AG, and the name Armas Garbi is clearly engraved on the sideplate.

The list of Spanish makers marks (which Roger provided a link to above) says the mark of Armas Garbi is "G. A. Garbi" rather than AG. But the mark could have changed at some time since 1967.

Tha tis certainly an interesting possiblility, and one that should be investigated further.

Driead, a picture would be worth a thousand words. A half-dozen pictures would be even better. Include pictures of the flats on the bottom of the barrels and the flat surface of the receiver where the barrels rest when closed.

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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:27 pm 
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Yes, the Armas Garbi shot has a bit of wishful thinking...
The spanish gun trade in the 60's was doing a bit of everything it had demand for, and the gun described here could be from any of the gunmakers from Eibar.
A photo would be nice. I'm not sure it will help, but I would like to see the gun!!

You can contact the Basque Gun Museum they should have a good idea who made your gun Tel.: +34943 708 446 • Fax:+34 943 708 436
P.S get someone who speaks spanish to call or fax

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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:04 am 
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Not sure this will work, but I loaded the pics to the photo album. All under driead in the other section.. Thank you all for your time and effort. Don

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... m=12&pos=2


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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:15 am 
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This is all of the pictures. Hope this helps to ID this shotgun. Hard to cover it with insurance when we don't know what it is. Again, thanks to all of you... :) Don

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... m=12&pos=7
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... fullsize=1


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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:56 am 
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Well, I still don't know who made it, but I think we can rule out Armas Garbi. Would you agree, henriquemenezes?

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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:23 am 
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Well, just my humble opinion, and not to "knock" the gun, but from the relatively simple engraving and the appearance of some of the metalwork, it does NOT appear to be a "best" gun from a top maker.

Also, the loading lever seems to be right of center, so the lock-up appears to be safe enough for use.

There were a LOT of Spanish doubles made back then, primarily by small family makers in small shops and the quality varied tremendously.

If it were ME and I was worried about insuring the gun, I'd simply insure a "Spanish SXS" for $500 to $1000 bucks, depending on its condition. (Hint - I'd probably go with the lower end of that range based on what I can see from the pictures.)

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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:34 am 
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Yep, that's why I ruled out Armas Garbi.

Not that there is anything wrong with the gun, it is just not a "best" gun. It seems to be just as BobK described it - one of many inexpensive Spanish doubles that were made in the 1950's thru 1970's by many small shops, a lot of which only stayed in business a short time. We may never figure out who made it, and there is nothing unusual about that.

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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:20 am 
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Thank you so much Gentlemen. You all have been a great help. I can assume that this shotgun not worth much. Less then $500 but more then $200. Or is $200 pushing it? Thanks again, Don Riead


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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:37 am 
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I bought your gun's sister, who had taken the hard path of life, for 240 dollars in a pawn shop a couple of years ago, and was just delighted, tickled to death to make her mine :lol: I had to re-cut the checkering and refinish the stock with Tru Oil and use about five different brands of cold blue before, in due time, she came to resemble the conditon your gun is right this minute. Your gun is in pretty nice shape for what it is. I wouldn't sell my little Spanish 20 for a dime less than 500 bucks. If she was in a pawn shop or gun shop I'd have to pay 400 to 500 for a nice Spanish gun like yours. My opinion anyway.


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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:09 am 
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Not a Garbi, :( I think they only made sidelocks. JB


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 Post subject: Re: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:04 pm 
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Seamus O'Caiside wrote:
Well, I still don't know who made it, but I think we can rule out Armas Garbi. Would you agree, henriquemenezes?



Absolutely Seamus.


About the insurance: For me insurance value=cost of replacement.
See how much is worth a gun that you would be happy to replace this one, and go with that figure.


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 Post subject: re: Spanish Double Barrel
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:34 pm 
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Hello,

I just saw a double gun just like the pictures you posted. It has stamped on the barrel "Dickson and Son..... Falcom....Magnum". It also stamped "Made in Spain". Can anyone tell if this is truely a Dicson gun? I don't know if Dickson ever made in Spain.
Thanks.

Benjamin


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