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 Post subject: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:44 pm 
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I am looking to to add a 18" or 20" smooth bore barrel to a Remington 870 express 20 gauge. I want it for home defense buckshot and I currently only have a 26" smooth and 20" rifled.

cabellas support pointed this out:

Remington 870 Replacement Shotgun Barrels
Item number: QZ-212137
MODEL: 20GA.20-21"IMP.CYL
This item is in stock.
1 $159.99

Question is, is there a difference between a regular 870 barrel and and 870 express barrel?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:52 pm 
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Well, a Wingmaster 870 barrel is gloss blue, and Express barrels are flat black. They'll all fit, but they may not match. A can of Rustoleum can mostly fix it though.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:49 pm 
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Virginian wrote:
Well, a Wingmaster 870 barrel is gloss blue, and Express barrels are flat black. They'll all fit, but they may not match. A can of Rustoleum can mostly fix it though.



So is the cabellas model number QZ-212137 the same barrel as Remington's part #24578? That seems to be the hard thing to figure out. If it is, then I will just go with that

Are there other options for an 18 or 20" barrel for the shotgun I have?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:54 pm 
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per the Remington parts list -
Remington part #241886 is a 18.75" Vent Rib RemChoke 20 gauge Wingmaster bbl. for $160.
#241888 is an 18.5" EXPRESS RemChoke Vent rib bbl. w/ a full tube (Should match your gun.) for $144. And I think #241887 is with a MOD tube.
They also list some youth model matte bbls. and some fixed choke bbls. with rifle sights that should match. I don't see that Cabelas number on Remington's list. That #24578 you are looking at is a Wingmaster deer barrel with rifle sights from what I see. Download the spare parts list. A lot more barrels on there than on the extra barrels list.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:52 pm 
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http://www.remington.com/pdfs/rempartslist.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:32 pm 
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Do the Wingmaster barrels still use the ball detent to hold the magazine cap?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:24 am 
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Virginian wrote:
per the Remington parts list -
Remington part #241886 is a 18.75" Vent Rib RemChoke 20 gauge Wingmaster bbl. for $160.
#241888 is an 18.5" EXPRESS RemChoke Vent rib bbl. w/ a full tube (Should match your gun.) for $144. And I think #241887 is with a MOD tube.
They also list some youth model matte bbls. and some fixed choke bbls. with rifle sights that should match. I don't see that Cabelas number on Remington's list. That #24578 you are looking at is a Wingmaster deer barrel with rifle sights from what I see. Download the spare parts list. A lot more barrels on there than on the extra barrels list.



Wow, this is just what I was looking for. I think 241887 is exactly what I want....and I think I can change the choke tube on this one as well. How can I order one? If I call Remington, will they be able to tell me if it will fit and just let me order it directly?

I see there is a"***" in the code field on the parts list for most barres. What does that mean?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:17 am 
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It'll fit, and it has choke tubes. I have no idea what the *** s are for. I never noticed them before. I have a parts list I downloaded that is actually newer than the one now on Remington's site, and they aren't on that one. You should be able to call and order it. Remington is usually cheaper on postage than anyone else, too.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:53 am 
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Virginian wrote:
per the Remington parts list -
Remington part #241886 is a 18.75" Vent Rib RemChoke 20 gauge Wingmaster bbl. for $160.
#241888 is an 18.5" EXPRESS RemChoke Vent rib bbl. w/ a full tube (Should match your gun.) for $144. And I think #241887 is with a MOD tube.
They also list some youth model matte bbls. and some fixed choke bbls. with rifle sights that should match. I don't see that Cabelas number on Remington's list. That #24578 you are looking at is a Wingmaster deer barrel with rifle sights from what I see. Download the spare parts list. A lot more barrels on there than on the extra barrels list.


Well they were out of and no longer make the 241887, but I was able to order the 241888. It looks like it is the same barrel, but .25" longer and with a full choke. I want it for home defense, so I probably don't want to use a full choke. But since it is a RemChoke, it should be removable so I can put in a modified or improved cylinder. So am I correct in my assumption about being able to change the choke, and that this size barrel should be great for home defense?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:01 am 
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Virginian, if the * are on the choke tubes, it's telling you the choke. *is full, **** is improved gyl.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:25 pm 
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Th3 *' are at the begining of each row, and are the same for each type of barre/choke combination.

This is the one i first asked for, but is no longer made or available:

*** 241887 V-3 870 BBL 20/18.5 RC VT EXPRESS (MOD CHOKE) 144.00

This is the one i got:

*** 241888 V-3 870 BBL 20/18.75 RC VT EXP FULL 144.00


Other than the choke and the 1/4" size difference, I think it is pretty much the same. But again, shouldn't I be able to change the choke? That's what they told me anyway, and I think the RC stands for RemChoke. The barrels with integrated chokes have say "fixed". Can anyone who has the parts list take a look at 241888 and let me know if I am correct on this? And again, this should be a good size for home defense?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
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RC stands for RemChoke.

There is nothing wrong with using a full choke with buckshot for Home Defense, however, you will be able to change the choke should you wish.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:18 pm 
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RMc wrote:
RC stands for RemChoke.

There is nothing wrong with using a full choke with buckshot for Home Defense, however, you will be able to change the choke should you wish.



That was my assumption too. Makes sense that RC would be for RemChoke. I just wasn't sure if that was Remington's name for their interchangeable chokes. The parts lists are inconsistent in their notation and the guy on the phone seemed to know what he was talking about but who knows. Just seemed odd to me that they have an 18.5" and an 18.75" barrel with different chokes. Makes more sense to make just one in a single 18.5" length and include one choke with the option to buy more....less barrels they have to make! I will have the included full, and also an improved cylinder and modified to test out at the range with #2 and #3 buckshot.

I figured with a 26" for target shooting and bird/small game hunting, 20" rifled bore for deer and larger game, and the 18.75 for home defense, this 20 gauge should be able to do it all......or so I hope! Does this sound like a pretty good all purpose rig, even though it's 20 gauge?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:42 pm 
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You are correct, RC stands for RemChoke and you can change it to whatever you desire. And, with your array of barrels you are tied with me for number of 20 gauge barrels for one gun, except all mine are fixed choke. Don't get me wrong, I like choke tubes, but these pre-date that feature. I would say you are pretty well set to take on whatever strikes your fancy - or threatens your abode.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:26 pm 
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Virginian wrote:
You are correct, RC stands for RemChoke and you can change it to whatever you desire. And, with your array of barrels you are tied with me for number of 20 gauge barrels for one gun, except all mine are fixed choke. Don't get me wrong, I like choke tubes, but these pre-date that feature. I would say you are pretty well set to take on whatever strikes your fancy - or threatens your abode.



You made my night :mrgreen:

The only other thing I could add is a scope mount and scope....or a cantilevered barrel and scope.....hmmmm?????!!!!!! :lol:


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If you do decide to go for a scope, I would go with the cantilever. My experience with mounts that use the receiver pin holes is that they do not fit tight enough in the holes and there is too much play to maintain accuracy. And I have seen too many buggered up receivers where they drilled and tapped them and then the mount pulled loose under recoil.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:04 pm 
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If you do decide to go for a scope, I would go with the cantilever. My experience with mounts that use the receiver pin holes is that they do not fit tight enough in the holes and there is too much play to maintain accuracy. And I have seen too many buggered up receivers where they drilled and tapped them and then the mount pulled loose under recoil.

And they're ugly! :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:09 pm 
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Virginian wrote:
If you do decide to go for a scope, I would go with the cantilever. My experience with mounts that use the receiver pin holes is that they do not fit tight enough in the holes and there is too much play to maintain accuracy. And I have seen too many buggered up receivers where they drilled and tapped them and then the mount pulled loose under recoil.



Yes but a mount is about $40....a cantilever barrel is over $200. I'd give the mount a try first.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 express barrels Question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:13 am 
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Here is an update and questions.

I called Remington because the barrel did not arrive after about 2 weeks. They told me the order was canceled because item #241888 was discontinued. While they looked for a similar barrel they found #241887. This was the barrel I originally tried to order but was told that one was discontinued. Thy seemed surprised I was told they. They said it was on backorder, but not discontinued. I put in the order, but who knows if I will get it....they never even bothered to notify my that my original order was canceled.

Question is, does anyone know if barrel #241887 on the parts list V-3 870 BBL 20/18.5 RC VT EXPRESS (MOD CHOKE) can take 3" shells? The reason I ask is that Midway has these two barrels available, but they can only take 2 3/4" shells.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?p ... ber=128102
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?p ... ber=665100

If the barrel I ordered from Remington (#241887) cannot accept 3" shells either, then it seems I might as well cancel that order and buy one from Midway that is in stock now.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:57 pm 
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http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgw ... rels/27599

I just bought this one from MGW for my wife's little 20 gauge 870 Express Youth Model gun and it is a peach. It is going to get a Leupold 2x7x33 VXII mounted on it and I'm sure with a little experimentation with loads she will be well armed for Ozark brush country whitetails. MGW has been great to deal with in my experience.


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