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 Post subject: Identification of old double barrel (Finders Royal Service)
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:28 am 
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I need identification and possible worth of a double barrel 12 Ga. with 30" barrels. The only identification is on the side metal fasten to the stock with the name "Finders Royal Service"). It has a serial number of 26239X. There are no other markings. This shotgun must be more than 70 yrs old.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification of old double barrel (Finders Royal Service)
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:22 pm 
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I believe that you meant Enders Royal Service. This site will tell you what you want.

http://www.answers.com/royal%20service% ... ns?web.x=1


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 Post subject: Re: Identification of old double barrel (Finders Royal Service)
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:43 pm 
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Here is the complete answer --

CRESCENT FIRE ARMS CO.

was incorporated in Connecticut on March 4, 1892. In 1888, George W. Cilley bought out the defunct Bacon Arms Co. of Norwich, CT. He then formed an alliance with Frank A. Foster, and borrowed enough money to form Crescent. Cilley and Foster each held several firearms patents, and both were highly qualified in firearms design and manufacture. Production began with single shot tip-up shotguns that had an external side hammer. Double barrel shotgun production was started in 1891. In 1893, the majority of Crescent stock was acquired by H.∓D. FOLSOM located at 314 Broadway in New York City. Henry Titus Folsom (1859-1937) was President of the company, and was succeeded by his son, H. Lloyd (1888-1954), who led the company through the depression and World War II. H.∓D. Folsom distributed Birmingham and Belgian made firearms (including some marked W. Richards and T. Barker) under many trade names from 1890 until about 1932. The Norwich, CT manufactured Crescent guns were marked American Gun Company of New York, then Crescent after about 1922. In 1897, American Gun Co. listed 5 models: 1. #2641 - Top lever hammergun with Armory Steel barrels (Belgain made) in 12g only for $14. 2. #2650 - With damascus barrels for $15. 3. #2660 - Similar gun but claimed to be all American made for $18. 4. #2655 - Twist barrels and Deeley & Edge snap forend with engraving on locks and trigger guard for $18. 5. #2665 - Greater engraving coverage for $20. In 1954 Folsom was purchased by Universal Tackle and Sporting Goods Co. N.R. DAVIS ARMS COMPANY was located in Assonet, MA from 1853 until at least 1917, operated under the following names: 1853 to 1883‑ N.R. Davis Arms 1883 to 1917‑ N.R. Davis & Sons Co. 1917 to 1930‑ Davis-Warner Arms Corp.‑ Brooklyn, NY and Norwich, CT In 1920, SAVAGE ARMS CORP. purchased J. STEVENS ARMS and later acquired the assets of Page Lewis Company and A.H. Fox. J. Stevens purchased DAVIS-WARNER in 1930. A Stevens memo dated December 15, 1930 announced the purchase from H&D Folsom Arms Company of the assets of Crescent Fire Arms Company of Norwich, Connecticut. The assets of Crescent were to be merged with those of Davis-Warner Arms Corporation and that the newly formed firm would be known as The Crescent-Davis Arms Corporation, Norwich, Conn. On November 4, 1935, an order of dissolution was filed with the New York Secretary of State and the remains were moved to Chicopee Falls and assembled and sold under various trade names. RESOURCE: Bob Hinman "The Golden Age of Shotgunning"

TRADE NAMES (confirmed or possible) used by Folsom imported guns (mostly Belgian sidlocks and identified by proof marks), Crescent (sidelocks), and Crescent-Davis (boxlocks) - http://proofhouse.com/cm/codes_markings.htm http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/ ... rence.html http://www.gundealersonline.com:80/firearmID.asp American Bar Lock Wonder for Sears, Roebuck & Co., American Boy for Townley Metal & Hdw. Co. Kansas City, American Gun Co., American Nitro, Aristocrat for Supplee-Biddle Hdw., Armory Gun Co., Bacon Arms, Baker Gun Co., Baklmann Hardware Co., Barker Gun Co., Bartlett & Co., Bellmore Gun Co., Berkshire No. 3000, Black Beauty, Bluefield Clipper, Bluegrass Arms Co., Blue Whistler, B.M.& S.H. for Blish, Mizet and Silliman Hardware Co. Atchinson KS, Bridge Gun Co., Bridge Gun Works, and Bridge Black Prince for Shapleigh Hdw. Co. St. Louis, Bridgeport Arms Co., Bright Arms Co., Burack Special for Burhans & Black Inc. Syracuse NY, C.G. Bonehill, C.W. Franklin, Canadian Belle, Carolina Arms Co. for Smith-Wadsworth Hdw. Co. Charlotte N.C., Carter's Premier for Garnet-Carter Co. Chattanooga TN, Central Arms Co. for Shapleigh (boxlock guns by Stevens), Charles Richter, Chatham Arms Co., Cherokee Arms Co. for C.M. McClung & Co., Knoxville TN, Chesapeake Gun Co., Chicago Long Range Wonder (in addition to an Andrew Fyrberg & Sons manufactured boxlock), Colonial, Columbian New York Arms Co., Compeer Gun Co. for Van Camp Hdw Indianapolis , Connecticut Arms Co., Cumberland Arms Co. for Gray & Dudley Hdw Co. Nashville TN, Creve Cour, Cruso for Hibbard Spencer, Bartlett & Co., Daniel Boone Gun Co. for Belknap Hdw. & Mfg. Co. Louisville KY, Delphian Arms Co. for Supplee-Biddle Hdw. Co. Phila. PA, Delphian Manufacturing Co., Diamond Arms Co. for Shapleigh, Dunlap Special by Davis-Warner for Dunlap Hdw. Co. Macon GA, E.C. Mac, Eclipse, Eclipse Beaver, and Eclipse Meteor; Henri Pieper guns made for E.C. Meacham Co. St. Louis, Elgin Arms Co. for Fred Biffar & Co. Chicago and Strauss & Schram Chicago, Elmira Arms Co. Elmira NY, Empire Arms Co., Empire State Arms Co., Wm. Enders Oak Leaf, Enders Royal Service, Royal Field, Royal Western, and Royal American and Special Service for Shapleigh, Essex for Belknap, Farwell Arms Co., Faultless for John M. Smythe Hdw. Co. Chicago, The Field (10 & 12g single barrel), Folsom Arms Co., F.F. Forbes, Forever and H.S. Brown Machine Gun, Fort Pit Arms Co., C.W. Franklin, Fremont Arms Co., Gold Medal Wonder for Sears, Greenfield for H.S.B, H.B.C., H.S.B. & Co., Hanover Arms Co. made by Janssen Fils & Co., Harrison Arms Co. for Sickles & Preston Davenport Iowa, S.H. Harrington, Hartford Arms.Co. for Simmons Hdw and Shapleigh Hdw. St Louis, Harvard, J.C. Henry Arms St. Paul MN, Henry Arms Co. was also used by Henri Pieper, Liege. PIEPER TRADE MARKS registered in Belgium included: Bayard (June 9, 1892), Eagle Gun Works, E.Leroy, Modified Diana, H.Pieper, Diane, The Leader, Bayard Arms Co, Pieper Arms Co, Premier Arms Co, National Arms Co, Henry Arms Co, Royal Gun Works, Le Rationnel, Schutz Marke, E-K, Eclipse Company, Metropole, and Monarch Arms Co. Hermitage Arms Co. for Gray & Dudley, Hermitage Gun Co., Hip Spe Bar, Hibbard for H.S.B., Howard Arms Co. for Fred Biffar, Hudson possibly for Hudson Sporting Goods Co. New York, Hummer for Lee Hdw Co Salina KS, Hunter, Infallible - Davis-Warner Interstate Arms Co. for Townley, The Interchangeable and The International for E.C. Meacham made by Simonis, Janssen & Dumoulin and Neumann Freres, Jackson Arms Co. for C.M. McClung, J.H. Lau & Co., J. Manton & Co., J.W. Stake by Neumann Freres, John L Smythe & Co., Joseph Arms Co., K K, Keen Kutter for E.C. Simmons Company St. Louis, Kingsland Special and Kingsland 10 Star for Geller, Ward & Hasner St. Louis, Kirk Gun Co., Knickerbocker, Knockabout, Knox-All (also Iver Johnson), Laclede Gun Co., Lakeside for Montgomery Ward & Co., Leader Gun Co. for Chas. Williams Stores Inc. New York, Lee's Special and Lee's Munner Special for Lee Hdw. Co. Salina KS, Leige Arms Co. for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett (Belgian made 10 & 12g doubles selling for $45 in 1884), Long Range Marvel, Long Range Winner and Long Range Wonder for Sears, Marshwood for Chas. Williams, Massachusetts Arms Co. for Blish, Mize & Silliman Hdw. Atchison KS, Metal & Hardware Co., Mears, Metropolitan for Siegel Cooper Co. N.Y., Minnesota Arms Co. for Farwell, Ozmun & Kirk Co., Mississippi Arms Co., Mississippi Valley Arms Co. for Shapleigh, Mohawk for B.M.& S., Monitor for Paxton & Gallagher Omaha Neb., Wm. Moore & Co., Mt. Vernon Arms Co., National Arms Co. (not the Marlin branded pump gun), New Britain Arms Co., New Elgin Arms Co., New Empire (used c. 1931), New England Arms Co. for Chas. J. Godfrey N.Y., Newport for H.S.B., New Rival for Van Camp Hdw. & Iron Co., New York Arms Co. for Garnet Carter Co. Chattanooga TN., New York Machine Made, New York Match Gun, New York Nitro Hammerless, Nitro Bird for Richards & Conover Hdw. Co. K.C., Nitro Hunter for Belknap, Nitro King, Norwich Arms Co., Not-Nac Manufacturing Co. for Canton Hdw. Co. Canton Ohio and Belknap, Osprey for Lou J. Wppinger, Inc., Detroit, Oxford Arms Co. for Belknap, Pagoma for Paxton, Gallagher Hdw Co., C. Parker & Co., Peerless c. 1915-1930, Perfection for H.G. Lipscomb & Co., Nashville, Piedmont Arms Co. for Piedmont Hdw. Co. Danville, PA, Pioneer Arms for Kruse Hdw. Co., Cincinnati, Pittsfield for H.S.B., Plymouth, Quail, Queen City for Elmira Arms Co. Elmira N.Y., R. Murdock National Firearms Co., Red Chieftan for Supplee-Biddle, Rev-O-Noc for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett Co., W. Richards, Rich-Con, Richmond Hardware Co., Charles Richter for New York Sporting Goods Co. N.Y., Rickard Arms Co. for J.A. Rickard Co. Schenectedy N.Y., Rival for Van Camp, Rocket Special, Rodgers Arms Co. by Henri Pieper, Royal Service for Shapleigh, Rummel Arms Co. for A.J. Rummel Arms Co. Toledo, Ruso for H.S.B., Russell Arms Co. made by Joseph Cap and H. Pieper, S.H. Harrington, St. Louis Arms Co. for Shapleigh and Sears Roebuck in 1897, Seminole, Shue's Special for Ira M. Shue Hanover PA, Sickel's Arms Co. for Robert-Sickels & Preston Co. Davenport Iowa, Smithsonian, Southern Arms Co. made by Joseph Janseen, Special Service, Spencer Gun Co. for H.S.B., The Sportsman for W. Bingham Co. Cleveland, Springfield Arms Co. (also Stevens), Square Deal for Stratton-Warren Hdw. Co. Memphis, Stanley Arms Co. by Francois Dumoulin, Star Leader, State Arms Co. for J.H. Lau & Co., H.J. Sterling Arms Co., St. Louis Arms Co., Sullivan Arms Co., Superior, Syco for Wyeth Hdw Co. St. Joseph MO, T. Barker and T. Barker New York, Ten Star and Ten Star Heavy Duty for Geller, Ward & Hasner, Tiger for J.H. Ha.. Co. Nashville, Townley's Pal and Townley's American Boy for Townley Metal, Trap's Best for Watkins-Cottrell Co. Richmond VA, Triumph - Charles Lancaster patent guns made by Crescent for Sears Roebuck, Tryon Special for E.K. Tryon Co., U.S. Arms Co. for Supplee-Biddle, U.S. Field, Victor & Victor Special for H.S.B., Virginia Arms Co. for Virginia Caroline Co. Richmond VA, Volunteer for Belknap, Vulcan Arms Co. for E.K. Tryon, Walters and Son, Warren Arms Co., Washington Arms Co., Wauregan, Wautauga for Wallace Hdw Co. Morristown TN, W. Richards, Whippet for H.S.B., Wildwood, Wilkinson Arms Co. for Richmond Hdw. Co., Richmond VA, William Moore & Co., Wilmont Arms Co., Wilshire Arms Co. for Stauffer, Eshleman & Co. New Orleans, Wiltshire Arms Co., Winfield Arms Co., Winoca Arms Co. for Jacobi Hdw. Co. Philadelphia, Witte Hardware Co., St. Louis, Wolverine Arms Co. for Fletcher Hdw. Co. Wilmington NC, Worthington Arms Co. for Geo. Worthington Co Cleveland, The Wyco for Wyeth Hdw. & Mfg. St. Joseph MO, XLCR Crescent-Davis boxlock for W. Bingham Cleveland. THE SAME TRADE NAMES may be found on single and double barrel shotguns manufactured by Savage, Stevens, Harrington & Richardson, Iver Johnson, and Hunter Arms Co. (Fulton boxlocks.)


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 Post subject: Re: Identification of old double barrel (Finders Royal Service)
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:09 pm 
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This Shotgun is an Enders Royal Service boxlock side by side double barrel 12 ga shotgun. I use it for Turkey and Duck hunting (too heavy for carry and not balanced to well but great for this type of hunting). This gun is in excellent shape mechanically but the blue is worn off. Does it have any value?


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 Post subject: Re: Identification of old double barrel (Finders Royal Service)
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:57 am 
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After all that information, I'll give you a simple answer. The gun is a "Trade Brand Name" shotgun. That is a shotgun made by a major maker for and sold by a wholesaler or retailer who chose the name to go on the gun. Shotguns with the name ENDERS ROYAL SERVICE were made by Crescent Fire Arms Co of Norwich,CT (1892 to 1932) for and were sold by the Shapleigh Hardware Company of St. Louis,MO a large wholesale sporting goods dealer. I note that you say you shoot the gun. I offer a note of caution. The gun was designed for early low pressure smokeless powder and has a short chamber. Be careful what ammunition you use in in it. Don't use any high pressure express shells and DON"T STUFF ANY 3" shells in it. it ain't safe. You might have a good gunsmith check out the gun for safety. You didn't ask about value but the value depends on the condition both condition and mechanical. A "Trade Brand Name" shotgun with all finish remaining, metal and wood can go as high as $200.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification of old double barrel (Finders Royal Service)
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:51 pm 
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Thanks a lot guys, you gave me more information than I needed but is appreciated very much, I was suprised how you can come up with thiis kind of information from such little description that I presented. Thanks again


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 Post subject: Re: Identification of old double barrel (Finders Royal Service)
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:57 am 
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Lots of great info, but I have more questions.
I have one of these Crescent Arms double barrel shotguns, it is the 'Hanover Arms' version.
The top of the barrel marked 'Belgian Saltinized Steel'. No 'ELG' stamp, unless its under the wood.
- What is Saltinized Steel? (no luck with Google)
- Were the barrels imported from Belgium or just the steel was?
- Is this a pre or post WW1 manufacture shotgun?


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 Post subject: Re: Identification of old double barrel (Finders Royal Service)
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:29 am 
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Powershooter wrote:
I use it for Turkey and Duck hunting (too heavy for carry and not balanced to well but great for this type of hunting).


WHOA! It's certainly not built for use with steel shot, and the speed and pressure generated by modern turkey and waterfowl loads are incredibly dangerous to use in that gun!!!

You may want to rethink the use, and relegate the gun to low pressure target loads if you decide you want to shoot it at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification of old double barrel (Finders Royal Service)
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:03 am 
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manowar: are there any maker's marks on the barrels just forward of the flats?
'LLH' is the mark of Laurent Lochet-Habran and has been found on Smith, Lefever, Fox & Ithaca (esp. the Lefever Nitro Special) Smith hammer guns have been identified marked both London Steel and LLH. A Baker Standard grade has both 'ACL' & 'LLH' and is marked "Nitro Rolled Steel." A Folsom Baker is marked "Fluid Temper Steel."

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THREE LOBED CROWN over 'D' is Jean Delcour-Dupont and Canons Delcour S.A. (barrel makers) Likely the source of steel brls so marked on L.C. Smith, Fox, and Ithaca Lefever Nitro Special A-grades. Canons Delcour S.A. was registered in 1921, and remained in business until 1968. Canons Delcour also used a 'Crowned DDN' and 'Acier Securitas.'

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The US makers imported the tubes, which were then fit and finished here.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:50 pm 
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Boy, this is dredging up an old one. Three versions of the name Hanover Arms. Made by Crescent Firearms if no foreign proof marks (ELG in an oval) or Janssen Fils & Co if made in Belgium (will have the ELG in an oval). Hanover Arms Co Belgian Fine Damascus, made by Janssen Fils & Co and Hanover Arms Co 71 also made by Janssen Fils & Co. Haven't the faintest what Saltized steel means. Something like Bluetooth means today. Made before World War One. Yes if Belgian made. WW1, The War to End All Wars or The Great War (chose one) cut off all exports from Europe (Belgium) from 1914 to 1918. If Crescent made don't know without the serial number.


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Boy, this is dredging up an old one. Three versions of the name Hanover Arms. Made by Crescent Firearms if no foreign proof marks (ELG in an oval) or Janssen Fils & Co if made in Belgium (will have the ELG in an oval). Hanover Arms Co Belgian Fine Damascus, made by Janssen Fils & Co and Hanover Arms Co 71 also made by Janssen Fils & Co. Haven't the faintest what Saltized steel means. Something like Bluetooth means today. Made before World War One. Yes if Belgian made. WW1, The War to End All Wars or The Great War (chose one) cut off all exports from Europe (Belgium) from 1914 to 1918. If Crescent made don't know without the serial number.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification of old double barrel (Finders Royal Service)
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:56 am 
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The serial is 11514. I found the ELG proofs under the chamber, only barely visible when the action is opened for loading. I also found the same serial and a Belgian proof mark on the receiver, also only visible when the action is opened.
Thank you for the help.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:15 pm 
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Since there are the ELG proofs on the bottom of the barrels, then the gun was made in Belgium and before World War One. Sorry but there are no serial number-year made tables for this maker. A word of caution. The gun was designed for the ammunition in use at the time which was either black powder or early low pressure smokeless powder. It also has shorter chambers than modern guns. It was not designed for more modern high pressure smokeless powder and certainly not 3 inch magnum shells nor steel shot. My recommendation is not to attempt to shoot it.


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does any body know about a gun stamped blue whistler i have one that is a 12 gauge single shot crack barrel i want try to get some information on it


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Blue Whistler is a "Trade Brand Name"used on shotguns made by the Crescent Fire Company of Norwich,CT (1892 to 1932), the largest maker ever of such guns. As far as I can find out the guns (Blue Whistler) were made for and sold by the H & D Folsome Company of New York City a large wholesale and retail sporting goods dealer. Incidentally Folsome owned Crescent and whatever Folsome wanted Crescent made and what they wanted was a lot of inexpensive (cheap) shotguns fast.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification of old double barrel (Finders Royal Service)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:34 pm 
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My dad got a double barrel in a trade. The only identifying marks are "The Wyco Hammerless" and we can't find any marks on the barrel to indicate the crown... the only barrel stamp we see is on top with "Genuine Armory Steel". SN 72073. I've put up pics on my site here:

http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/Shotguns/wyco/Wyco.html


Question: Since this thread is the *only* time "Wyco" is mentioned on the entire forum, would it be safe to assume that ours falls under the same identification?


He's planning to use it with his Black Powder loads and some light buckshot or slug loads. Other than some galled screw heads and a small crack in the stock, it seems like a pretty nice old shotgun.


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He's planning to use it with his Black Powder loads and some light buckshot or slug loads. Other than some galled screw heads and a small crack in the stock, it seems like a pretty nice old shotgun.


I'm not sure you could load a buckshot or slug load light enough to use this gun safely. Get it checked out by a QUALIFIED gunsmith before using it at all! These were cheap, junk guns when new, and after 100 years they are still cheap junk.... and usually dangerous to boot.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:38 pm 
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WYCO. "Trade Brand Name" shotgun. A "Trade Brand Name" shotgun is one that was made by a major maker for and sold by a wholesaler or retailer who chose the name to go on the gun. Guns with the name Wyco or Wyco Hammerless were made by the Crescent Fire Arms Company of Norwich,CT (1892 to 1931) for and were sold by the Weyth Hardware & Manufacturing Company of St. Joesph.MO. As best as I can find out they were a retail sporting goods dealer.


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I just acquired a double barrel 12-gauge shotgun from my father-in-law. It shows absolutley no manufacturers marks anywhere. The only thing on the gun that identifies it is stamped on the left hand side of the stock, in the metal portion just above and forward of the triggers. It states "The Wyco Hammerless". Inside, stamped into the metal is the number 251865. It is also stamped into the wood of the hand grip and the metal of the locking mechanism that holds the hand grip in place. Nothing more. There are absolutely no other marking anywhere on the entire gun. I've looked with a magnifier class.

Any ideas on where to start looking this up, if any? :roll:


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