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 Post subject: Ithaca SxS 16 ga Flues grade 1?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:19 pm 
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Trying to identify an Ithaca..

Itaca Gun Co, Ithaca, NY on both sides

SxS double triggers
16 ga
28" barrel
takedown
retrievers machine engraved on both sides
full length solid rib with engraving
white (ivory? bone?) bead
looks like a screw hole for a bead midway down the rib?
serial 2071xx on watertable, barrel, and forestock
checkering on forstock and grip
bevertail forarm I think (wider and flatter then the ones that taper?)
strightgrip style stock
serial on right watertable
left watertable has a 1 over 16
barrel markings under forestock LLH (AC over L) on left, (AC over L) right
zigzag machined engraving around each barrel
wide diamond black inlay with 2 brass pins and brass shield on underside of stock

I think it is a 1911 flues grade 1 but blue book has stopped adding all the details that used to separate the different ones. How to you grade the condition? I am not bad with modern arms but 100 year olds are beyond my knowledge. I would guess 80+% blueing on barrels, were the receivers unblued? Normal patina on receiver if the lack of blueing is normal. Screws look to be original but slots chewed (but still usable), Wood is in very good shape with checkering still strong. BUT (there always has to be a BUT, doesn't there?) Buttstock appears to have been shortened and a recoil pad installed. It does look like a knowledgeable person did this as they kept the profile pretty smooth.

Any help would be appreciated. Pictures can be taken if needed.

Linda

EDIT: After looking at other Ithaca Flues, it is possible that the recoil pad was stock? It looks like a lot of 'all original' ones I am seeing. It is a red rubber material "WHITE LINE" in center of pad (their quote marks and all caps), MERSHON CO INC.curved around top of pad, and GLENDALE across the bottom.




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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca SxS 16 ga Flues grade 1?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:11 am 
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Twin ivory sights were a $1.10 option on most guns back in the day.

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In the decade or two prior to WW-I, Ithaca Gun Co.'s four lowest priced guns were essentially the same, with the roll-stamped logo on the sides of the frame, varying only by barrel material -- Field Grade had Smokeless Powder Steel barrels, No. 1 had Twist barrels, No. 1 Special had Cockerill Steel barrels and No. 1 1/2 had Damascus barrels.

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From your description it sounds like the gun has been restocked, as Ithaca didn't offer a beavertail in those days and these entry-level guns generally weren't offered with a straight grip.


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca SxS 16 ga Flues grade 1?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:42 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca SxS 16 ga Flues grade 1?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:35 pm 
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A torrent of information! Thank you both! I will definitely have to get pictures up. So it is an ivory bead and has Cockerill barrells.. but I will post pictures to double check that the stock is incorrect.. as soon as the sun comes out again (we finally got rain for the first time in months).


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